I would actually be interested in that writing project.

Choas star, its more about making the glass something special
other then that
I will take the qualities of the energy involved
and scy out a sigil and charge the glass not the bottle, the glass and the cork with the sigil.
( thats an important distinction, the talimon is the actual glass and cork not the insides which has a different resonance)

and hten usually I cover it, and cause I like herbs, will soak the cloth I cover it with something very positive but keep the cloth black so I knwo what its for.. so that would be like... using angelical root soaking the cloth, and then letting it dry into the cloth.

I occasionally have them. :mrgreen:

Yeap we can talk about it, although that depends on the how much I get off in the ritual orgy. :P

That's what I have been looking for.

The idea about storing the energy in a bottle and creating a liquid talisman out of it is an excellent idea. I have been thinking about the loss of the negative energy and the potential of it since I started doing this ritual, but I could not figure out a safe way to contain it. I have the perfect bottle for this exercise as well. It will take a little preparation but I will have this up and running soon. I have to finish my monasticism and then I am home free to start a few other projects. I have wondered at the possibilities of dropping a doll into the liquid talisman after torturing it, then tossing it into a river. There is a lot of possibility here.

My next projects include but are not limited to: Writing a magical combat Manuel based on work with wolf atavism's and shape shifting, (They travel in packs, we could write this together if you like Andrieh) A metamorphosis project, (I will utilize this banishing for this work, I particularly like the idea of throwing the bottle into a river after storing up long ingrained habits) and a wealth/blue magic monasticism.

Any particular symbols of protection you have used for the bottle magic? Any which have worked surprisingly well for you Andrieh?

The idea of creating a direct link to the void is an excellent idea. I tried this out last night after reading your post and it worked very well. As I said in a past post, the force you summon is attracted to you and wants to push on the barrier so this technique is much more efficient as the energy is not allowed to build up. The more breathes one does with this ritual the stronger the energy gets, I have had to take breaks in between breathes and strengthen the barrier so that it didn't burst through.

I would like to do some Reiki with you Andrieh to learn a little bit more about maximizing the amount of energy I can raise. Maybe next time I come down we can do some work based on this. Right before we feast on the virgin we slaughter and right after the ritual orgy, sound good?

Anomaly

This could actually be safer if you did the following things

Create the Barrier,
Create the vortex to the Void
let the negativity stream out of you, directly into the Void ( with no conjoling into a ball) Therefore it cant effect it.

Addiitionally, a sub thing I would do with this, IS not to get rid of the negative force or send it back to the void. That's largely a waste. Instead, pushing into a bottle with a liquid allows it to be conservative and used at a later date for appropriate use would be a fine way to go. This is effectively creating a liquid talisman that would be outside the barrier. CRITICALLY important, use the stuff in Hands On Chaos Magic to seal up the bottle, else the energy would well leak out, but if you can contain it, and do multiple evocations ( which I consider this to be), you have some very talisman negative essence. Your ethics are your own here, but you can see where I am going.

Believe it or not, this ritual is very similar to alot of reiki ideas and gigong ideas, except it is not as gentle ( theres a couple things). It also depends on the ability of the practitioner to effectively get more vital energy ( aka Reiki, or the Waterfall of light stuff actually are methods for doing that ) into the body system.

Yes, but I'm perfectly willing not to worry any more about it. That was a VERY interesting day for me. :)

And if I desire the person to die after aiming it at them?

I do believe that I stated the same exact message in one of my earlier posts.

Are you aware of the fact that we have spoken before we ever encountered each other on the Prismatic Vortex Drench?

Who is not using discernment?

06/06/2006

I agree with your message completely, I am just curious as to why you would state it? Have I posted something that would make you worry?

Anomaly

I've been busy this week and just got around to reading all this. I'll just interject a quick reminder that the ability to do something, whether the ability is seasoned or not, does not make it a good idea. I'm a big fan of doing magick rather than only reading it, but I'm also a big fan of discernment. Magick is not a toy. It has real consequences. It sometimes kills. So be careful where you aim it.

Hello SilverR,

I too have been experiencing insomnia as a result of this ritual. I generally stay up till six in the morning but the first few times I did this exercise I was staying up until around 8:30. This ritual makes me vibrate with energy when I am done with it and puts me into a manic state. I guess when you begin to take in the life force you should expect that. It has got better lately with this result, I have resumed my normal 6 in the morning sleep time, I work nights and have been doing about 2 hours of ritual work a night, lol.

The reason I chose the cube was because it is easier for me to visualize the pentagrams on the cube and also to strengthen the barrier on the side that the negative energy is on as opposed to having to strengthen an entire sphere. Only one wall needs to be strengthened. After you learn to maintain the barrier it will do it on its own based on my experience. I am mainly using this ritual for healing at this point until I feel satisfied with the results. Rituals tend to work like the placebo effect of medicine. I say this ritual will do this and then after prolonged experimentation with it it does, period.

This ritual left me very uneasy the first few times I did it, I had to get used to not having all of that negative energy in me, I tend to be a very negative person. I have felt amazing since I started this. I feel good about my health and this is reflected in my physical body. I do not think that negative, death, curses... are the only things we could remove from ourselves with this. Eventually I will test how well it leaches opinions, beliefs, traits, habits, etc...

This ritual as a whole also offers practice with visualization which is the key to the occult...

The Connected breathing technique was developed by Timothy Leary after he was told that he could no longer use LSD as a gateway to altered states when conducting research for the university he worked for. The connected breathing exercise puts you into a 5th circuit trance state which is essentially the state of trance necessary to make alterations and also the trance state synonymous with hypnotherapy per Leary's system. I suppose you could use other breathing techniques with success for this ritual but a lot of other breathing techniques dont put me into as deep a trance as this one. If you have one that works better for you use it. Just maintain the pushing and pulling aspect of this exercise. Look up the Leary stuff, you could spend months trying to learn his material. Connected breathing is famous for putting a person into a state of gnosis which is why I chose to use it. If you look at one of my above posts you will see that one of the key tenets of chaos magic is that an altered state of consciousness called gnosis is necessary to achieve results with magic. That is why I chose this breathing technique.

I do not normally work with grounding so no, I did not have this in mind when I wrote the ritual. To be honest, I used grounding techniques when I was younger but that was about ten years ago when I had first started experimenting with the middle pillar ritual. The middle pillar ritual made me obscenely psychic at the time I was doing it regularly. I have stuck to banishing rituals since then. Add one if you like. The ritual was written to suit my personal tastes, change it if you like. The basic concepts are there and I have received wonderful results with it and I expect many more to manifest. I have just begun work with this ritual in the past week so give me a few months and we will see how far I can push it. Please let me know if you have any uncanny results if you do change it. Share the wealth.

I am going to look into the advantages this ritual has for black magic servitor creation out of the negative death force in the future, but I need to do some more experiments with sympathetic magic from Andrieh's book...

One edition I have made is to cause the negative death force which is concentrated outside of the cube to rotate constantly and attract more of the death force, this has helped with having to push the force by will out of the cube. I thought about creating a leach like entity which will actually suck the force up and then banishing the leach to the void, but i think it is best to keep the force non sentient and without motive at this point. The ritual seems to be creating results without any further additions at this point so I am going to play with the basic structure that I have developed right now.

Keep up the practice, maybe we are on to a ritual swiss army knife here. Have fun

Anomaly

I was finally able to try the ritual last night. When I checked your post this morning I was amused as to the healing component addition. My results/experience was much more along this line, than with the ritual as a standard banishing. With my experience it acted more as an energy exchange/filteration ritual than an actual purifying banishment.

I did have a few questions during the process and am wondering if they are more stylistic matters or have actual intent.

1. Why was a cube selected as a shape for the pentagrams?
2. What is the advantage of connected breathing exercises opposed to other breathing methods of achieving gnosis?
3. Is there a grounding component to this ritual that I overlooked? Personally for me feeling weakness does not equate to grounding. A side effect of when I attempted the ritual was insomnia.

New result with banishing

I have been using the banishing for healing purposes. I used the life force as a healing agent and after leaching all of the negative death force from by body switched to focusing on just my lungs. i felt the death force leaving my lungs and being tangled in the black mess of the energy ball outside of the magical barrier. I then felt extreme heat radiating from my lungs as the life force entered them, the heat did not dissipate for some time. i did this for about 15 breathes. I believe that this banishing could be utilized for healing any part of the body, all that is required is focusing the life force on the area which you desire to heal.

I have not tested it yet but after i am satisfied that this technique is one worthy of healing I will attempt to use it for metamorphosis. Rather than leaching the negative energy from the body i will leach the characteristic i desire to alter from my body and replace it with a new one.

Lets see how far the rabbit hole goes with this. Amazing what a simple concept can accomplish isnt it Andrieh?

Anomaly

Hi,

No offense taken, please don’t take my remarks as being too critical, I was mainly using my judgments to illustrate that this was not my style. I'm pretty sure I said that. I guess I worded the advanced technique sentence incorrectly. I intended for it to mean that the ritual I wrote was in no way outside of the scope of your book, but is definitely more complicated than the waterfall banishing if taken at face value from the text, this all relies on the performer as well, most people have not reached the point you have in their practices. If sufficient work was done with the waterfall ritual and we began to be specific about what we found ourselves washing away then yes. And if we experienced the waterfall as light from heaven and designed specific intentions for what we would wash away, then yes. Augmentation is key.

I understand your irritation and I know it is not directed at me, I plan to call you to discuss the ins and outs of that situation later. I could definitely see the waterfall ritual turning into something which could be used as an extremely effective banishing, but I definitely agree that much more work would need to be done with the ritual than just the occasional one off performance. The evolution factor must be incorporated: evolution of the magician as a result of the ritual performance as well as the evolution of the ritual to fit the ever changing needs of the magician.

The main reason that I stylized my post the way I did was because of the context in which the question was posed. It was pretty specific to this one banishing. I think your chapter on banishing is excellent, the whole book is great, You have done a lot of work and it shows. It was just my observation that the protective element is of great importance and this was the factor which I wanted to communicate to SilverK based off of my ritual and the one SilverK desired me to comment on, I did not take anything else from you book into consideration because this question was context specific. Comparing two rituals is not always an efficient way to learn. Most ritual performances tend to be idiosyncratic in their own right even if we find ourselves performing a specific ritual with different intents.

I also did not see anything about the hardened aura shield when I read the chapter on banishing, I could have missed it. Even so, this sort of thing would not develop instantly and many performances would have to be undertaken before this affect was experienced. Work work work sir, I was just trying to illustrate to the dude who likes simple one off rituals the gravity of work that is necessary to become adept at this sort of thing. You don’t even need complex rituals, just well developed ones which are proven to cause the desired result. Honestly though, we be chaos magicians, we can make any ritual cause the desired result. Feed the fire baby, burn burn burn.

Im going to call you in a little bit, talk to you soon.
Anomaly

First, I am pretty pissed off so if this comes out the wrong way I apologize.
This is NOT more advanced then the topics in my book. Period.
The waterfall exercise is provided as a example of how the individual could themselves use a metaphor to develop their own banishing ritual. This is exactly what you are doing below. The Michael Levithon ritual I would consider more of a banishing ( for additcions) of exactly what you were getting at in difficulty. Although the metaphor is different, because it assumes whatever will not be flexible gets destroyed in the colliding force of opposites.

Five Chapters on psychic shielding is not enough and extensive warnings, what the fuck ever dude. Out of the 50,000 words cut the majority of it was cut on my incensent going back to banishing which was repetitive. Seriously. I am not in the mood.
This is coupled with with extensive work on developing containment fields. Vast tracks of NLP techniques, and endless streams of energy work. The fact is your looking at one excercise, instead of the entire picture of the training as outlined at the end. If a person is summoning demons after reading 5 chapters of abook, well they are a protegy or kinda asking for it. Still, the critique is basically valid in only that someone has read the book, not actually went through the exercises which actually teachings the point of the mental control and strengthens the auric field to the point that they can stand there, and understand and feel the difference between a negative information source they are summoning, and themselves. That means that the negative information source doesnt affect them, since they have internalized the Observer self, and mentally have the techniques to actually not let something like this affect their energy body. To be this is by far a better skill to have internalized. I know for a fact, that you didnt work through the exercises in that fashion cause your doing a million things. To me this isnt a fair critique. If that wasn't clear enough, in the sympathetic part of the book, I go into what happens when you are around a negative information source. Detailed exercises to not TELL people, but show them so they can internalize Exactly what you are talking about as opposed to get trite warnings they should banish. If anyone actually does the sympathetic exercises, they would realize with the mojo type bag stuff that... being around a negative information source, will unless their shields are good ... unless their psychic barrier is so internalized and good, it will negatively affect them. To me the coupling of those things in the much bigger pictures, means the critique is not really valid in the the context of the greater work and the knowledge that comes from experiential knowledge transmitted through doing the exercises, versus reading them.

Nor does the book suggest you should. ANd yet you could use this banishing if you actually see it as a Middle Pillar exercise where you are pulling divine energy down and had a clear concept of that divinity ( or god or heaven), it would work for that purpose. Ultimately the metaphor doesn't work for some people, but with practice you certainly could use this to banish a spirit, if you had enough belief in the metaphor combined with enough trance state you could infact could shred a spirit in that waterfall of light because in a sense, you are using the power of heaven to shread it... thats only a little tweak on the metaphor... Throw in the vibration Elohim a couple times,.. and there you go.( which AGAIN this was given as a illustrative process that you are slamming, a process of HOW to use a metaphor to create a banishing which is exactly what you did below).

Which is why I put the bottle and doll magic in the book. If a person has done the exercises though, and really built up the psychic shields as I recommend. The barrier of other starts at the shield, and such an external barrier is unneeded since you would see your own auric shell as the dividing line between you and the death force. This is actually what your ritual does, creates an artificial barrier. I prefer my barrier to be my auric shell, because it allows me to play my cards closer to the chest, an auric shell I have strengthened on the astral plane too... this is very similiar to what I was getting at although the metaphor is slightly different which again was the point of that chapter. Clearly, I have a believe that an internalized and hardened aura in the energy model belief is in fact critically important ( which in alot of ways, negates your criticism), but like I said, I am not in a good mood so take it with a grain of salt.

Excellent question SilverR. I would be happy to do so. There are many differences between the banishing I have developed here and the course work found in Andrieh’s book. In Hands on Chaos Magic Andrieh highlights cleansing and purification within the structure of a banishing ritual, there are many aspects to this ritual which are not clearly defined in Andrieh’s book and in essence, these techniques are a bit more advanced than the ones discussed in Andrieh’s book. However, these techniques are advanced, not different than the ones used in Hands on Chaos Magic.

A fundamental explanation of the models of magic used in this ritual now follows. This ritual is an astral/sensory imagination platform (term borrowed from Andrieh, I would have described this as willed fantasy, either way the same thing happens) coupled with energy work. As you can see from my previous explanation of this ritual and the results experienced, Astral projection/sensory imagination can have effects on others just as perceivable as punching them in the face. Writers call this foreshadowing. Thankfully my fiancé has not experienced any negative retribution after being exposed to my negative energy in such a concentrated form. It was only once but I guess it is a learning experience which illustrates that our magic does have real effects and we should do everything possible to protect ourselves and the ones we love from our magical actions if we find ourselves working with dark forces and negative energy. Thank god I was not throwing a curse…

In my previous explanation, I highlighted the importance of projecting the dark energy which is removed from you to either side of you rather than above you. I began doing this ritual the first few days with the dark energy being projected upward which caused a lot of stress. The energy being removed has a serious density almost like a tar and is attracted to you like a magnet. This characteristic of the force being removed calls into question the importance of being able to project and maintain a thorough magical barrier. I have never had anything push on a barrier I have created with such ferocity. If you are not capable of projecting and maintaining a magical barrier to the effect that you can protect yourself with it, I would not recommend this ritual. This fact brings about one of the aspects of banishing which Andrieh did not feature in his book. A banishing for me, while focusing the mind for greater works of magic, stabilizing and perfecting the mind for greater mental feats and with prolonged use should cause a greater experience of calm when facing stress should also offer protection to the magician. Andrieh illustrates this with his adaptation of the Pretronis Charm Banishing, but I feel that he should have given a greater explanation as to the necessity and importance of the aspect of banishing. A barrier should be described, maintained and visualized to the point that a force can be felt protecting you from that which you are working with. This becomes apparent when working with things like demonic presence or so called evil spirits etc…

As for the waterfall banishing, I would not rely on this cleansing technique when attempting to banish an evoked spirit or a powerful negative force which is being worked with in the ritual I have written. The main reason that I have chosen to call a vortex and vanquish the negativity to the void is that doing so is final and permanent. As for the question of breaking down the negative energy with the life force, I just don’t think this is my style. There is also a lot going on astrally and mentally during this ritual. If you were to try out the ritual you would see that there is simply not enough time to do so. The magical barrier would also have to be broken and the life force which surrounds you would be contaminated by the negative energy leading to thoughts of whether or not it had infected you once more. As I said before, this negative energy is attracted to you. It is best to just keep it safely outside of the barrier and vanquish it to the final and dismal void where it will vanish rather than be destroyed.

The second reason for using the void and not integrating the negative force into the life force for destruction is that the connected breathing technique which is our gateway to gnosis must be maintained while incorporating the symbolism of push and pull or in and out. If we bring the negative force into the life force which we are taking in when breathing deeply inward then we are confronted with the mental gymnastics which cause us to have to differentiate between the two forces at once. Trust me; I played with this, it is best to keep it out side of the barrier.

I would also like to emphasize the advantages of doing this working as an astral/sensory imagination type of working. A good banishing should cause gnosis, I refuse to do a banishing if it does not do so. We are doing chaos magic, one of the most fundamental and necessary aspects of this art is that a altered state of consciousness or single pointed awareness known as gnosis is necessary to make magic work, there should be no argument that this should be incorporated into our work at all cost. Once we find ourselves in gnosis, especially in an astral state, the world becomes as easy to augment as we want it too. Creating a vortex is as easy as willing it to happen and seeing it happen; there is nothing which says you cannot do anything within your ritual space. Chaodiscordia made an excellent point when he named his ritual space his anything goes room, we should take his silly nature as a great teacher, lol.
This ritual has many benefits in all forms of magic, particularly in Black magic, black magic being death magic or death/curse work. A thorough examination of Peter Carroll’s Liber Kaos will shed some light on this subject and I am sure Andrieh could recommend a Voudoo book or two which would also help. The alteration to the ritual that would be necessary to do this would be the incorporation of a doll which acts as a representation of the target. Andrieh made the suggestion of making a little wooden coffin which I thought was awesome. I actually have one lying around which I made many moons ago for this type of work, but I did not make the connection. Instead of banishing the dark, negative, death force to the void, it is concentrated in the doll. A mantra could also be created out of the targets name and while stepped in gnosis projected onto the doll then placed in the coffin which has been sealed with protective magical symbols so the death energy does not escape. After about five chargings or so I would not want to be the person the doll is named after, haha.

Well, I think that I have answered your question to my own satisfaction, if you have any more questions or would like me to illustrate further on any subject please ask.

Simplicity and on the fly rituals are good, but I do not feel satisfied with them. I spend at least an hour in my temple each day. As of late I have been spending two to three hours in my temple attemping to perfect two rituals, this being one of them and also working on the observations of a magical monasticism I have taken upon myself. Without work we cannot play and the more work we do the more we can play. Magic becomes easier when we do consistently. Do the work, it pays off. Andrieh would agree with this.

Thanks,
Frater Dramaticus Anomalia

Perhaps you could explain the difference between this ritual and the banishing waterfall that A.V. puts in the book? And possibly its advantages? You do some interesting thoughts on containing the death force, but wouldn’t it be easier to picture/have the life force consuming, purifying, and eliminating it rather than creating a vortex? Granted I’ve yet to get the time/space to try yours, but as one who favors simplicity and things that can be done on the fly, a brief outline of the advantages/differences would be helpful in a more complicated banishing ritual.

Where did everyone go? I know that I am a tid bit matter of fact but damn, I cant even get a response. Maybe you should all make some quality posts, then we can talk.

~A~